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(burned out on explaining switching, sorry)

hydrix95

I have a new stance on this. I think telepathy is hypothetically possible. Basically it works through the unconscious, which connects all sentient things. You need to be in a completely clean trance basically for the unconscious I/O to work, then you conjure the thought of the person. If you succeed in thinking of a 100% match of the person, (that is a tulpa of who they are emotionally), then you can replicate what they would be thinking given their surroundings and emotional makeup, but its so hard to get exact that it basically never happens. That's why "approximate telepathy" is common where you can imagine pretty reliably how a person might react, but its never exact because your trance is dirty with imperfection. In fact, all "empathy" is actually "approximate telepathy" because you're conjuring images within yourself and performing unconscious I/O to see how they would react. I think its possible that at some point all sentient creatures come in perfect harmony of each other so as to have perfect telepathy always, but that's spiritual at that point

:o But then I have a question though. Why did you say that it was a common problem that when people used mental "elements" they created an entity that they could not talk to without telepathy, and that tulpa forcing created a tulpa completely separate from it?

How to bring a Servitor to protect wonderland

What exactly are you protecting it from

If you have a bad day and imagine bad things in your wonderland that is not going to affect it

2:03 AM

Once that passes it’s going to be exactly the same

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Once that passes it’s going to be exactly the same

really?

It’s just something you are thinking up, it’s going to look exactly how you want it

2:05 AM

You can imagine blowing it up into a crater and that’s not going to affect it at all because you can just imagine it back. It’s not a real place so why would things you think up be permanent?

I love to share you some plants I made up in past I'm going to be putting in my wonderland

World building isn’t really my thing, Rusty does it but it’s not in the context of tulpamancy

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World building isn’t really my thing, Rusty does it but it’s not in the context of tulpamancy

Is Rusty your Tulpa?

No

2:21 AM

They are the host

2:21 AM

We don’t do wonderlands

I though everyone does but I guess this is daydreaming

If I wanted to make a whole world I would just want to make OCs and a plot line for it, don’t see the appeal of injecting myself into it

2:40 AM

Putting system members into it feels restrictive, can’t make whatever you want

I don't want to interrupt Reguiles's reply so here I go for overflow discussion!

I kind of feel sad for the soulbonded entity for some reason

Most soulbonds I speak to are aware their fictional universe is seen as fictional. However, to them they believe it's real and they are content with their experience. I don't think living as a soulbond is easy, but hey, whatever floats your boat. I believe beyond metaphysical beliefs soulbonds and tulpas may be one in the same. However, don't do what I did and accidentally call a soulbond a tulpa- one system I knew found it insulting. I think to stick to the safe side, address the headmate how they wish to be identified. As for multiple headmates- if you don't want more tulpas and you come across some tulpa-like characters, you don't have to accept them. Keep in mind you can make a tulpa out of almost anything in the mind (even intrusive thoughts), but that doesn't mean you have too or even should.

Are soul bounds basically tulpas but under the belief that they are from another world?

1:31 PM

Bonds*

1:31 PM

Idk why i said bound

I misspelled soulbonds as soulbounds before

berockly (TTG)

Are soul bounds basically tulpas but under the belief that they are from another world?

That's what I believe, but I think it would be better to ask an actual soulbond system

1:33 PM

@Ember.Vesper.Iris.Monica

Gonna ask this around (as in, in two Tulpa servers lol), but I'm curious: has anyone tested rubbing their stomach and patting their head with their thoughtform? The idea is that it's very difficult for a person to rub their stomach in a circle and pat their head at the same time. I'm wondering how that applies to headmates, likely with possession and/or switching. (edited)

3:31 PM

Reworded it to say it's not impossible lol.

Im not plural and this is the easiest thing in the world for me? lol

It's hard for some people. There are different versions too. One example I saw recently was dribbling a basketball and swinging a bat. It's about the brain sending different signals at the same time and coordination.

4:19 PM

I used to have a lot of trouble with it, but now I can do it better, so I assume it's a case of just naturally improving being able to multi-task. I think it helps that I've done stuff like playing games and audio transcription, where I have to use multiple tools to sufficiently complete a task.

Yeah, I play the drums

In any case, I wondered how it would go for a headmate to do one thing while the host/another headmate did another. I realized in another chat that that's parallel processing, iirc.

4:21 PM

Lol yeah, that would explain it.

4:21 PM

When I learned about it, I was a kid, so I and a lot of other kids struggled.

4:22 PM

Which makes me think it could be a good way of developing possession/switching. techniques.

We tried this with Gray switched-in and me possessing. I did the belly rubbing and Gray patted himself. It was either about the same or easier, but it's hard to tell for sure

This experiment was weird. It's like if someone came up to you to rub your belly, even if neurologically that doesn't really apply. Just the feeling of someone else rubbing my belly is super weird, even if that someone is Ranger

you don't ever pet your host do you

5:22 PM

live a little :P

ew why would i want to do that?

So that you can elicit cute noises from them, of course.

Gray

This experiment was weird. It's like if someone came up to you to rub your belly, even if neurologically that doesn't really apply. Just the feeling of someone else rubbing my belly is super weird, even if that someone is Ranger

Oooh thank you for sharing your experience.

We cuddle every now and then, but I never rubbed Gray's belly before. I honestly would feel uncomfortable if he did the same to me

Another question: anyone got any good hypnosis resources? I wanna give it a try. Preferably something I can immerse myself in by closing my eyes and sitting/leaning in bed.

10:41 PM

I'll take anything. I'm flip flopping between switching/possession and visualizing.

10:46 PM

I saw one in the resources area, but that's all.

Guided meditation videos too, actually.

Non-tailored "hypnosis resources" that don't involve teaching you how to do it yourself aren't good by definition.

11:39 PM

Hypnosis, when done to someone else requires reading their body language and adjusting on the fly. Videos don't do that.

not requires but it would be better

11:42 PM

I think what's more likely to matter is the way that it's presented and especially the affinity the listener has for hypnosis at the moment

I've meditated into numbness where I can just chat within my head, but my mind gets distracted and it's hard to focus on switching. Possession comes and goes, but it's getting better.

11:46 PM

I figured a voice guiding me would help a lot.

That's a big "and". Suggestibility is the main reason hypnosis doesn't work and the skill of hypnosis is about surmounting low-suggestibility. That's a bit like saying "You don't require skill with a sword to defeat a legendary swordsman, you just need good form for one swing and luck!" Yes... but no. Not really.

11:47 PM

Even people with high suggestibility don't get instant good results with well-constructed scripts.

11:47 PM

Because it's like rolling a dice 20 times and needing all the results to be not a 1.

11:48 PM

If you don't understand the mindset.

11:48 PM

Every suggestion must compound successfully, or the whole thing collapses.

From what I've seen, you gotta do it repeatedly and consistently until you truly, down to your bones, believe.

11:49 PM

I'm not looking for an instant fix, just more options.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/88g4g7ok1ta3q10/AABM6HjW1yEI7ejgQ6gCiFRGa?dl=0

A lot of guides overwhelm me with the sheer amount of words.

the ones with tulpa labels should be of use

Is that the self-hypnosis guide?

11:51 PM

The scripts.

11:51 PM

I checked some of those out and they were... a lot to dig through.

I don't think so, but I have no idea

Oooh yeah this is different.

11:52 PM

Have you tried these before?

I've used those hypnosis files before, yeah

11:52 PM

They're unique in that they heighten your awareness and clarity rather than put you to 'sleep'.

The only other tulpa hypnosis stuff I've seen were by GearBox, who I've heard is controversial.

Alas, the only one I can share is commercial, and so I cannot share it.

Ah yeah, I don't want to sleep, I just want to be guided into a specific "world" to work in and focus on.

Zen

Alas, the only one I can share is commercial, and so I cannot share it.

Who is it by?

But it involves some squicky treatment of tuppers.

11:54 PM

So you're not missing out.

The Others

Another question: anyone got any good hypnosis resources? I wanna give it a try. Preferably something I can immerse myself in by closing my eyes and sitting/leaning in bed.

This is self-hypnosis, I believe they are just scripts so you may have to record them yourself, but some have found it useful: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/4735-linkzeldas-ultimate-self-hypnosis-scripts-for-your-tulpa-related-needs/

Linkzelda's Ultimate Self-Hypnosis Scripts For Your Tulpa-Related N...

DOUBLE EDIT: Here's a Mediafire link (Thanks JD1215 for the suggestion!) If you guys only see 8 pages on the mediafire link, just scroll down and it'll load more (38 pages in all). It's best you download it so you can navigate through the table of contents better. https://drive.google.com/file/d/...

Zen

But it involves some squicky treatment of tuppers.

Yikes™️

It also costs a grand.

11:56 PM

And no I didn't buy it, it was given to me for comment.

Lmfaoooo no thanks.

Pleeb

This is self-hypnosis, I believe they are just scripts so you may have to record them yourself, but some have found it useful: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/4735-linkzeldas-ultimate-self-hypnosis-scripts-for-your-tulpa-related-needs/

Ah yeah I've seen that. I have to look into it later, since rn, it's very overwhelming to look at.

11:57 PM

There is a lot to go through.

11:57 PM

I'm a simple-minded creature that needs to do and not read forever.

Personally I am of the opinion that for the purposes of self-hypnosis, about 90% visualization is better than using pre-written scripts.

11:59 PM

People seem to have the impression that visualizations aren't hypnotic suggestions, but the purpose of the speech part in hypnosis is to make you visualize.

12:00 AM

Words are not as necessary as intent. They're mostly for someone doing hypnosis to you, because that's how they can interact with your brain.

12:01 AM

Still, they have some measure of separate ability I find, I think they are best used sparingly, though. Getting wrapped up in hypnotic syntax is a distraction.

Huh. I like that way of thinking. I'm a visual person, so I like having that immediate guide for "seeing."

12:06 AM

I actually had to make a sloppy drawing earlier in another server to explain how it felt for me to almost switch.

12:07 AM

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12:09 AM

I've been reading guides on and off for years. I feel like it's time for me to try something new.

12:09 AM

The above experience was new to me, so now I gotta find ways to expand on that and make it easier.

12:09 AM

Hence me looking into hypnosis and guided meditation.

12:13 AM

Oh, to clarify, I'm the red. That's how I felt as I got faded into the backseat... if I was rubbing right against it.

Zen

It also costs a grand.

…woah woah wait who’s paying a grand for random weird tulpa hypno files? …who exactly made this?

https://harperhealing.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=73 I don't actually see it anymore but it's this individual.

Fronting symbolism is used a lot in switching. A lot of people take the front and treat it like a 3d space, but this can look like people moving around in a room to shaded regions on a 2d map of the brain. Part of the reason switching is called "fronting" is because it seems like the tulpa is somehow "in front" of their host. We use a wonderland room to represent our switching front. We trade places by having whoever is switching out walking into the distance and the switched-in headmate remaining and then accepting the mind's eye camera as their perspective. Because we have two fronts (switching and possession), our headmates moving around in-system or even visualized in meat space is actually all related to our possession front unless we agree to do a switch. As a result, I can possess Gray by being "infront of him" but this doesn't trigger a switch.